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	<title>Comments on: Will Israel commit suicide?  More rumors of a strike at Iran</title>
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	<description>A discussion of geopolitics, broadly defined, from an American's perspective.</description>
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		<title>By: bearnttt</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/israel-suicide/#comment-4210</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you kidding you liberal geeks israel could easily destroy iran does this liberal writer forget israel kicked all the arabs at once? a new mit report says israel could crush iran with only 25 jets

yes youre right nazi retard boy lets kill off the jews cause evil socialist nutcases like you hate them hey didnt the bible say all the evil nations would be against israel wow thanks for proving it

israel defeated 6 arab armys then 3 then 3 again israel has the finest military in the world and 1 megaton weapons iran cant even make 1 kilaton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you kidding you liberal geeks israel could easily destroy iran does this liberal writer forget israel kicked all the arabs at once? a new mit report says israel could crush iran with only 25 jets</p>
<p>yes youre right nazi retard boy lets kill off the jews cause evil socialist nutcases like you hate them hey didnt the bible say all the evil nations would be against israel wow thanks for proving it</p>
<p>israel defeated 6 arab armys then 3 then 3 again israel has the finest military in the world and 1 megaton weapons iran cant even make 1 kilaton</p>
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		<title>By: confused</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/israel-suicide/#comment-4181</link>
		<dc:creator>confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm confused, why USA doesn't embraces the rest of the world that hates Israel? the problem would be all solved. USA would get all the oil from iraq, iran, peace would reign in middle-east, etc... Why supporting one nation instead of all the others?  Take Israel out of the map and everything would be fine.
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&lt;em&gt;Fabius Maximus replies:  Ah, the old throw allies to their enemies in order to placate enemies and win friends.  I think you will find history shows few examples of this working.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;More often it reveals great moral weakness -- probably fear -- which encourages enemies.  Worse, it tells our remaining friends that we are useless as allies.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;This is exactly the &lt;strong&gt;opposite &lt;/strong&gt;of what the late John Boyd (Colonel, USAF) recommended. He said a grand strategy focused our nation’s actions — political, economic, and military — so as to:&lt;/em&gt;

Increase our solidarity, our internal cohesion. 
Weaken our opponents’ resolve and internal cohesion. 
Strengthen our allies’ relationships to us. 
Attract uncommitted states to our cause. 
End conflicts on favorable terms, without sowing the seeds for future conflicts. 
    From Patterns of Conflict, slide 139.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused, why USA doesn&#8217;t embraces the rest of the world that hates Israel? the problem would be all solved. USA would get all the oil from iraq, iran, peace would reign in middle-east, etc&#8230; Why supporting one nation instead of all the others?  Take Israel out of the map and everything would be fine.<br />
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<em>Fabius Maximus replies:  Ah, the old throw allies to their enemies in order to placate enemies and win friends.  I think you will find history shows few examples of this working.</em></p>
<p><em>More often it reveals great moral weakness &#8212; probably fear &#8212; which encourages enemies.  Worse, it tells our remaining friends that we are useless as allies.</em></p>
<p><em>This is exactly the <strong>opposite </strong>of what the late John Boyd (Colonel, USAF) recommended. He said a grand strategy focused our nation’s actions — political, economic, and military — so as to:</em></p>
<p>Increase our solidarity, our internal cohesion.<br />
Weaken our opponents’ resolve and internal cohesion.<br />
Strengthen our allies’ relationships to us.<br />
Attract uncommitted states to our cause.<br />
End conflicts on favorable terms, without sowing the seeds for future conflicts.<br />
    From Patterns of Conflict, slide 139.</p>
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		<title>By: Yours Truly</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/israel-suicide/#comment-2074</link>
		<dc:creator>Yours Truly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S. of A saves the world by savin' Israel's ass?Let's SAVE the whole world by turnin' everybody into pseudo - Americans.Some dudes...Iran threatens to annihilate the "Great Satan" and the "L'il Satan".As if.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. of A saves the world by savin&#8217; Israel&#8217;s ass?Let&#8217;s SAVE the whole world by turnin&#8217; everybody into pseudo - Americans.Some dudes&#8230;Iran threatens to annihilate the &#8220;Great Satan&#8221; and the &#8220;L&#8217;il Satan&#8221;.As if.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Tong</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/israel-suicide/#comment-2043</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Tong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel will be fine, the USA will do it it is a must to save the world. Iran must not have nukes as Rice, Bush and Cheney put it. Leaders of Israel have already urged Bush to attack Iran several times in the past two years.  According to Newsweek, the USA will attack Iran soon. It is not if but when. Sounds very logical to me, since Iran has threatened to annhilate both the USA and Israel.
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&lt;em&gt;Fabius Maximus replies:  It does not sound logical to me, but who knows?&lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;I have added an update with my various posts about the many waves of rumors about the US or Israel attacking Iran.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel will be fine, the USA will do it it is a must to save the world. Iran must not have nukes as Rice, Bush and Cheney put it. Leaders of Israel have already urged Bush to attack Iran several times in the past two years.  According to Newsweek, the USA will attack Iran soon. It is not if but when. Sounds very logical to me, since Iran has threatened to annhilate both the USA and Israel.<br />
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<em>Fabius Maximus replies:  It does not sound logical to me, but who knows?</em><br />
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<em>I have added an update with my various posts about the many waves of rumors about the US or Israel attacking Iran.</em></p>
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		<title>By: fabiusmaximus2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is not demography, strictly speaking, but the extrapolation of current "open borders" and multiculturalist public policy.  If we restricted immigration and returned to policies encouraging assimilation (those of the early 20th Century), this might not be a problem.

Europe's crisis is strictly demographic:  fertility levels far below replacement.  That will be, I suspect, very difficult to reverse.  It might even be structural.  Modern western culture, esp with respect to women, might inherently result in below-replacement fertility and be -- from a long historical perspective -- an aberration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not demography, strictly speaking, but the extrapolation of current &#8220;open borders&#8221; and multiculturalist public policy.  If we restricted immigration and returned to policies encouraging assimilation (those of the early 20th Century), this might not be a problem.</p>
<p>Europe&#8217;s crisis is strictly demographic:  fertility levels far below replacement.  That will be, I suspect, very difficult to reverse.  It might even be structural.  Modern western culture, esp with respect to women, might inherently result in below-replacement fertility and be &#8212; from a long historical perspective &#8212; an aberration.</p>
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		<title>By: rogelio007</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demographic trends don't just affect Israel. They affect the United States also. If current trends continue, in one-hundred years Spanish will be the dominant language in the United States with English falling to secondary importance.</description>
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		<title>By: fabiusmaximus2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>fabiusmaximus2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting aspect of American political debate is that one side attributes to other behaviors common to *both* sides.  So it is, imho, with Lind and "maximalist objectives.  Both sides of the American political specturm have developed utopian aspirations.  The Left seeks to remold our society to match its ideological dreams, while the Right supports foreign crusades.

It would be amusing to watch if occuring in another country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting aspect of American political debate is that one side attributes to other behaviors common to *both* sides.  So it is, imho, with Lind and &#8220;maximalist objectives.  Both sides of the American political specturm have developed utopian aspirations.  The Left seeks to remold our society to match its ideological dreams, while the Right supports foreign crusades.</p>
<p>It would be amusing to watch if occuring in another country.</p>
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		<title>By: oldskeptic</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add, that the comment "Israel will lose the support of 99%+ of every Jew in the world" comes directly from a very, very close friend, who just happens to be Jewish, because they are some of the finest, most honourable people in the world.  He wont say that, because he thinks the Scots are ;).   Ok, he's right. Ok laddies here's my mate's hierarchy of 'honour':

(1) Scots
(2) Jews
(3) Australians

Oh well..... I suppose that is what makes the world so interesting.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add, that the comment &#8220;Israel will lose the support of 99%+ of every Jew in the world&#8221; comes directly from a very, very close friend, who just happens to be Jewish, because they are some of the finest, most honourable people in the world.  He wont say that, because he thinks the Scots are ;).   Ok, he&#8217;s right. Ok laddies here&#8217;s my mate&#8217;s hierarchy of &#8216;honour&#8217;:</p>
<p>(1) Scots<br />
(2) Jews<br />
(3) Australians</p>
<p>Oh well&#8230;.. I suppose that is what makes the world so interesting.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: oldskeptic</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabius, I'm always reminded by by Bill Lind's profound comment 'maximalist objectives'.

The real world is always messy, uncertain and full of compromises. Whenever you try to 'win it all' (in war, business, et al) the probability of total success drops dramatically. You can look at this like a Markov chain, where you have to reach the 99% level every time. Trouble is that is only a 1% chance of succces, with a 99% chance of failure. Multiply the chance of success through a few iterations, .01 x .01 x .01 .... 10 iterations and you have only a 1 in 10^-20 chance of success = a lot less than a snowball's chance in hell.

Ok, lets take a (say) 30% chance of success the first time around. A gambling person (or an idiotic optimist) might try that, then do the same number of iterations = 0.0000059049 (0.00059%) chance of total success. What we are seeing is gambling on a massive scale, on very low odd's. A sensible person will take a much higher chance of success with a lower payoff, as your chance of winning is much higher. 

Conservatism pays.

The neo-crazies (or nut jobs as I call them, NJs for short) continually gamble high stakes on low odds,  then wonder why the outcomes are not what they expect! They are fundamentally faith, not reason, based people, which explains their links and empathy to the 'born again' crowd.

Back to the Palestinians, they and the Israels are locked into a death spiral at the moment (thanos is dominating). Two peoples with their hands around each others neck, fighting to the death in quicksand. The eventual end of this is predictable. Because Israel, at the moment is superior then, on current trends, extermination (attempted, via 'transfer', etc) is the predictable end. At that point Israel will lose the support of 99%+ of every Jew in the world, and that, my friends, is the real end of Israel. Israel can (maybe just by the skin of its teeth) survive the loss of US support, it cannot survive the loss of world wide Jewish support. 

Alternatively, it all continues at the same level for decades and the Palestinians become dominant (through demographics) and the same (but in a different way) end of Israel happens. Not through extermination, the Palestinians will never have that power within our lifetimes (despite what some Palestinian NJs may desire), rather people start leaving Israel and it steadily whithers away.

That's why the forces of life (to use an analogy) must break free of this and BUILD. The Geneva Accord in 2003 showed that a start (at the very least) can be made. It is messy, uncertain, no major wins by anyone, but it has the grace of achievability (bit like life overall). 

In the end, the economic gains in a decade will have everyone saying: why didn't we do this 20 years sooner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabius, I&#8217;m always reminded by by Bill Lind&#8217;s profound comment &#8216;maximalist objectives&#8217;.</p>
<p>The real world is always messy, uncertain and full of compromises. Whenever you try to &#8216;win it all&#8217; (in war, business, et al) the probability of total success drops dramatically. You can look at this like a Markov chain, where you have to reach the 99% level every time. Trouble is that is only a 1% chance of succces, with a 99% chance of failure. Multiply the chance of success through a few iterations, .01 x .01 x .01 &#8230;. 10 iterations and you have only a 1 in 10^-20 chance of success = a lot less than a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell.</p>
<p>Ok, lets take a (say) 30% chance of success the first time around. A gambling person (or an idiotic optimist) might try that, then do the same number of iterations = 0.0000059049 (0.00059%) chance of total success. What we are seeing is gambling on a massive scale, on very low odd&#8217;s. A sensible person will take a much higher chance of success with a lower payoff, as your chance of winning is much higher. </p>
<p>Conservatism pays.</p>
<p>The neo-crazies (or nut jobs as I call them, NJs for short) continually gamble high stakes on low odds,  then wonder why the outcomes are not what they expect! They are fundamentally faith, not reason, based people, which explains their links and empathy to the &#8216;born again&#8217; crowd.</p>
<p>Back to the Palestinians, they and the Israels are locked into a death spiral at the moment (thanos is dominating). Two peoples with their hands around each others neck, fighting to the death in quicksand. The eventual end of this is predictable. Because Israel, at the moment is superior then, on current trends, extermination (attempted, via &#8216;transfer&#8217;, etc) is the predictable end. At that point Israel will lose the support of 99%+ of every Jew in the world, and that, my friends, is the real end of Israel. Israel can (maybe just by the skin of its teeth) survive the loss of US support, it cannot survive the loss of world wide Jewish support. </p>
<p>Alternatively, it all continues at the same level for decades and the Palestinians become dominant (through demographics) and the same (but in a different way) end of Israel happens. Not through extermination, the Palestinians will never have that power within our lifetimes (despite what some Palestinian NJs may desire), rather people start leaving Israel and it steadily whithers away.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the forces of life (to use an analogy) must break free of this and BUILD. The Geneva Accord in 2003 showed that a start (at the very least) can be made. It is messy, uncertain, no major wins by anyone, but it has the grace of achievability (bit like life overall). </p>
<p>In the end, the economic gains in a decade will have everyone saying: why didn&#8217;t we do this 20 years sooner?</p>
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		<title>By: fabiusmaximus2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 03:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaza a State?  Comapred to Gaza Vatican City looks like a superpower.</description>
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