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	<description>A discussion of geopolitics, broadly defined, from an American's perspective.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zoagria</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/cable-cut-fever/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>zoagria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether 8 or 9 undersea cables were indeed "cut" or not, it should occur to everyone that if the story is remotely accurate, the idea that a "terrorist" organization was responsible is not a serious explanation.  No terrorists possess the means or information necessary to undertake such a complicated and expensive operation... only a National Intelligence service in cooperation with that Nations Navy could pull something like this off without everyone and their sisters cousin knowing about it ahead of time.  This would show up in financial market speculations and odd/irregular insurance policies, which is certainly where several thousand analysts are looking if this is anything other than rumor.

This story, like speculation related to the network intrusion/corruption of computer networks at the pentagon, requires such a huge amount of forensic labor to investigate, that maybe a year from now the specialists will decide they're confident enough to say for certain one way or another what they believe occurred and why/how.  We could all toss out speculative guesses as to why such a complicated operation might be worthwhile for this or that government to undertake, and maybe someone would guess correctly.  But "terrorists"?  In three different parts of the worlds shipping lanes?  Very very unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whether 8 or 9 undersea cables were indeed &#8220;cut&#8221; or not, it should occur to everyone that if the story is remotely accurate, the idea that a &#8220;terrorist&#8221; organization was responsible is not a serious explanation.  No terrorists possess the means or information necessary to undertake such a complicated and expensive operation&#8230; only a National Intelligence service in cooperation with that Nations Navy could pull something like this off without everyone and their sisters cousin knowing about it ahead of time.  This would show up in financial market speculations and odd/irregular insurance policies, which is certainly where several thousand analysts are looking if this is anything other than rumor.</p>
<p>This story, like speculation related to the network intrusion/corruption of computer networks at the pentagon, requires such a huge amount of forensic labor to investigate, that maybe a year from now the specialists will decide they&#8217;re confident enough to say for certain one way or another what they believe occurred and why/how.  We could all toss out speculative guesses as to why such a complicated operation might be worthwhile for this or that government to undertake, and maybe someone would guess correctly.  But &#8220;terrorists&#8221;?  In three different parts of the worlds shipping lanes?  Very very unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/cable-cut-fever/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For you Yankees, by "southern literature" Chet Richards refers to Faulkner's *Snopes* trilogy: The Hamlet, The Mansion, and the Town.  Set in Yoknapatawpha County (Mississippi), it tells about the the beginning, rise, and dominance of the Snopes family.  Good reading for folks who like gloomy books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For you Yankees, by &#8220;southern literature&#8221; Chet Richards refers to Faulkner&#8217;s *Snopes* trilogy: The Hamlet, The Mansion, and the Town.  Set in Yoknapatawpha County (Mississippi), it tells about the the beginning, rise, and dominance of the Snopes family.  Good reading for folks who like gloomy books.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/cable-cut-fever/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/anomalistics/practices.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Marcello Truzzi&lt;/a&gt; provided a simple version of Hume's thinking that can help us cut through the noise:   "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/anomalistics/practices.htm" rel="nofollow">Marcello Truzzi</a> provided a simple version of Hume&#8217;s thinking that can help us cut through the noise:   &#8220;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pode</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/cable-cut-fever/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Pode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conspiracy theories are hard to fight because they provide comfort in the face of troubling random events.  The idea that evil people in control caused the bad thing to happen implies the possibility that good people in control can prevent bad things from happening, which is something humanity desperately wants to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conspiracy theories are hard to fight because they provide comfort in the face of troubling random events.  The idea that evil people in control caused the bad thing to happen implies the possibility that good people in control can prevent bad things from happening, which is something humanity desperately wants to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Weaver</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/cable-cut-fever/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ONe thing which annoyed me is I have a smart COLLEAGUE who was speculating it was the US because ONE router in Iran was reported down.  I had to explain to him...

a)  The Jimmy Carter doesn't cut cables when tapping them.

b)  IF we were to disrupt Iran's internet activity, it would be 30 seconds before the bombs drop.

Conspiracy theories are so hard to fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ONe thing which annoyed me is I have a smart COLLEAGUE who was speculating it was the US because ONE router in Iran was reported down.  I had to explain to him&#8230;</p>
<p>a)  The Jimmy Carter doesn&#8217;t cut cables when tapping them.</p>
<p>b)  IF we were to disrupt Iran&#8217;s internet activity, it would be 30 seconds before the bombs drop.</p>
<p>Conspiracy theories are so hard to fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/cable-cut-fever/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snopes!  I love that reference to Southern Literature. Amazing the insights you find there.

Adrian raises a good point - Data are data, as the old saying goes, and there are two general methods for deciding whether they represent truthful or false information.  The first is by comparing them to one's existing orientation and throwing out what doesn't fit - we call this "ideology" - and the other is by comparing the implications of the data with the developing situation.  In this case,  one usually changes both orientation and the data that are accepted as valid (let's face it, when dealing with national security stuff, a lot of data is either wrong or noise).  

In this situation, there appear to be more, and more severe, mismatches with the conspiracy theory than with the natural causes theory, at least until more data become available.  The point is to keep observing, keep looking for data, and keep exploring for mismatches.  Only the paranoid, as the new saying goes, survive -- with apologies to Andy Grove, who is not a Southerner as y'all already knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snopes!  I love that reference to Southern Literature. Amazing the insights you find there.</p>
<p>Adrian raises a good point - Data are data, as the old saying goes, and there are two general methods for deciding whether they represent truthful or false information.  The first is by comparing them to one&#8217;s existing orientation and throwing out what doesn&#8217;t fit - we call this &#8220;ideology&#8221; - and the other is by comparing the implications of the data with the developing situation.  In this case,  one usually changes both orientation and the data that are accepted as valid (let&#8217;s face it, when dealing with national security stuff, a lot of data is either wrong or noise).  </p>
<p>In this situation, there appear to be more, and more severe, mismatches with the conspiracy theory than with the natural causes theory, at least until more data become available.  The point is to keep observing, keep looking for data, and keep exploring for mismatches.  Only the paranoid, as the new saying goes, survive &#8212; with apologies to Andy Grove, who is not a Southerner as y&#8217;all already knew.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/cable-cut-fever/#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, in an abstract sense.  In practice much of the noise can be filtered out with a combination of skepticism and simple fact-checking.  In the 1980's was both a gull and and transmitter of urban legends.  Eventually I learned to check &lt;a href="http://www.snopes.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Snopes&lt;/a&gt; before believing and passing on really good stories.

Twenty seconds with Snopes or Google can filter out a large fraction of noise.  A healthy skepticism can probably filter out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, in an abstract sense.  In practice much of the noise can be filtered out with a combination of skepticism and simple fact-checking.  In the 1980&#8217;s was both a gull and and transmitter of urban legends.  Eventually I learned to check <a href="http://www.snopes.com/" rel="nofollow">Snopes</a> before believing and passing on really good stories.</p>
<p>Twenty seconds with Snopes or Google can filter out a large fraction of noise.  A healthy skepticism can probably filter out more.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Martin</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/cable-cut-fever/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of a decision loop, there is nothing to distinguish truthful information from false information - they are not qualitatively different in the time that the information is collected and disseminated.  That is true of an intelligence-collecting platform just as it is the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of a decision loop, there is nothing to distinguish truthful information from false information - they are not qualitatively different in the time that the information is collected and disseminated.  That is true of an intelligence-collecting platform just as it is the Internet.</p>
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