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	<title>Comments on: What do blogs do for America?</title>
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	<description>A discussion of geopolitics, broadly defined, from an American's perspective.</description>
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		<title>By: Duncan Kinder</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/blogs/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Kinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &lt;a href="http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/mermaid.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;description&lt;/a&gt; of the Mermaid Club:

&lt;i&gt;Mermaid Tavern was located in Cheapside, to the east of St. Paul's Cathedral. It had entrances from both Friday Street and Bread Street. The tavern's sign, not surprisingly, bore a mermaid. Mermaid Tavern was the meeting place of the “Friday Street Club”, also known as the “Mermaid Club”, a literary club first begun in 1603 by Sir Walter Ralegh. Mermaid Tavern was a favorite haunt of Ben Jonson, Beaumont and Fletcher, John Donne, Robert Herrick, John Selden, and last, but not least, William Shakespeare.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The Mermaid Tavern, which burned down in the Great Fire of London, was memorialized in verse by Jonson in &lt;a href="http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/jonson/supper.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;“Inviting a Friend to Supper”&lt;/a&gt;, by Beaumont in &lt;a href="http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/beaumont/jonson.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;“Mr. Francis Beaumont's Letter to Ben Jonson&lt;/a&gt;, and, two hundred years later, by Keats in &lt;a href="http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poem/1127.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;“Lines on the Mermaid Tavern.”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/mermaid.htm" rel="nofollow">description</a> of the Mermaid Club:</p>
<p><i>Mermaid Tavern was located in Cheapside, to the east of St. Paul&#8217;s Cathedral. It had entrances from both Friday Street and Bread Street. The tavern&#8217;s sign, not surprisingly, bore a mermaid. Mermaid Tavern was the meeting place of the “Friday Street Club”, also known as the “Mermaid Club”, a literary club first begun in 1603 by Sir Walter Ralegh. Mermaid Tavern was a favorite haunt of Ben Jonson, Beaumont and Fletcher, John Donne, Robert Herrick, John Selden, and last, but not least, William Shakespeare.</i></p>
<p><i>The Mermaid Tavern, which burned down in the Great Fire of London, was memorialized in verse by Jonson in <a href="http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/jonson/supper.htm" rel="nofollow">“Inviting a Friend to Supper”</a>, by Beaumont in <a href="http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/beaumont/jonson.htm" rel="nofollow">“Mr. Francis Beaumont&#8217;s Letter to Ben Jonson</a>, and, two hundred years later, by Keats in <a href="http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poem/1127.html" rel="nofollow">“Lines on the Mermaid Tavern.”</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/blogs/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting analogies!  I was thinking of regular people in regular pubs, like the Bull &#38; Finch in Boston idealized in in the TV show "Cheers", which I think better captures the spirit of the thousands of active blogs (the tens or hundreds of thousands ones with microscopic traffic are structurally more like correspondence or even diaries).

I doubt blogs will include actual dining.  New technology is often seen in terms of existing systems. Like the horseless carriage, electric pen, wireless telegraph.  Blogs function somewhat like pubs, as cars transport people like horse-drawn carriages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analogies!  I was thinking of regular people in regular pubs, like the Bull &amp; Finch in Boston idealized in in the TV show &#8220;Cheers&#8221;, which I think better captures the spirit of the thousands of active blogs (the tens or hundreds of thousands ones with microscopic traffic are structurally more like correspondence or even diaries).</p>
<p>I doubt blogs will include actual dining.  New technology is often seen in terms of existing systems. Like the horseless carriage, electric pen, wireless telegraph.  Blogs function somewhat like pubs, as cars transport people like horse-drawn carriages.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Kinder</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/blogs/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Kinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dinner parties actually played a significant role in Socratic philosophy.  Both Plato and Xenophon wrote &lt;i&gt;Symposia&lt;/i&gt;; while Plato further explores the role of drinking parties in his &lt;i&gt;Laws&lt;/i&gt;.  From this, there has been an undercurrent of philosophic thought which Plutarch, for example, explores in his &lt;i&gt;Table Talk&lt;/i&gt;.

During the Renaissance, neoPlatonists took this concept an ran with it, calling the phenomenon "convivio."  Michel Jeanneret explores convivio is his &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Feast-Words-Banquets-Table-Renaissance/dp/0226395766/ref=cm_lmf_tit_12" rel="nofollow"&gt;A Feast of Words: Banquets and Table Talk in the Renaissance &lt;/a&gt;. 

One of the fabled institutions of late Elizabethan and early Jacobean London was the Mermaid Club.  Meeting once a week at the Mermaid Tavern, it was reputedly founded by Raleigh and Shakespeare.  Whatever the case may be regarding them, Ben Johnson and John Donne definitely were members as well as a host of other poets.  

Somewhat similarly, the coffeehouse culture of late 17th and early 18th century London were productive gathering places.  The publications of Addison and Steele and the bull sessions of Samuel Johnson result from them.  Such institutions as the stock market actually descend from them.  Coffeehouses also flourished elsewhere in Europe.  Much of Bach's music, for example, results from jam sessions he conducted in a coffeehouse in Leipzig.  

Note that all these involved not only talk but eating.  The body as well as the mind was engaged.  Blogs lack this physical aspect.  Perhaps somehow they will evolve so this can be added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dinner parties actually played a significant role in Socratic philosophy.  Both Plato and Xenophon wrote <i>Symposia</i>; while Plato further explores the role of drinking parties in his <i>Laws</i>.  From this, there has been an undercurrent of philosophic thought which Plutarch, for example, explores in his <i>Table Talk</i>.</p>
<p>During the Renaissance, neoPlatonists took this concept an ran with it, calling the phenomenon &#8220;convivio.&#8221;  Michel Jeanneret explores convivio is his <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Feast-Words-Banquets-Table-Renaissance/dp/0226395766/ref=cm_lmf_tit_12" rel="nofollow">A Feast of Words: Banquets and Table Talk in the Renaissance </a>. </p>
<p>One of the fabled institutions of late Elizabethan and early Jacobean London was the Mermaid Club.  Meeting once a week at the Mermaid Tavern, it was reputedly founded by Raleigh and Shakespeare.  Whatever the case may be regarding them, Ben Johnson and John Donne definitely were members as well as a host of other poets.  </p>
<p>Somewhat similarly, the coffeehouse culture of late 17th and early 18th century London were productive gathering places.  The publications of Addison and Steele and the bull sessions of Samuel Johnson result from them.  Such institutions as the stock market actually descend from them.  Coffeehouses also flourished elsewhere in Europe.  Much of Bach&#8217;s music, for example, results from jam sessions he conducted in a coffeehouse in Leipzig.  </p>
<p>Note that all these involved not only talk but eating.  The body as well as the mind was engaged.  Blogs lack this physical aspect.  Perhaps somehow they will evolve so this can be added.</p>
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		<title>By: William RAISER</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/blogs/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>William RAISER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the discussion on blogs helps disseminate information and clarify its import.  However, the major advantage to the local pub comes from the ability of people to directly relate to one another, to form groups and to take action.  In the blog world, the only action seems to be "signing" the numerous petitions that circulate.  Calls for others to act rather than the direct taking of responsibility (exercising one's ability-to-respond).  

We have the illusion of participation without the reality.
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&lt;em&gt;Fabius Maximus replies:  I agree.  A powerful observation.  Hopefully what we gain from blogs we put to work at home.  An example of local action is community politics, another is &lt;a href="http://www.projectwhitehorse.com/editorialnote.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Project White Horse&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the discussion on blogs helps disseminate information and clarify its import.  However, the major advantage to the local pub comes from the ability of people to directly relate to one another, to form groups and to take action.  In the blog world, the only action seems to be &#8220;signing&#8221; the numerous petitions that circulate.  Calls for others to act rather than the direct taking of responsibility (exercising one&#8217;s ability-to-respond).  </p>
<p>We have the illusion of participation without the reality.<br />
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<em>Fabius Maximus replies:  I agree.  A powerful observation.  Hopefully what we gain from blogs we put to work at home.  An example of local action is community politics, another is <a href="http://www.projectwhitehorse.com/editorialnote.htm" rel="nofollow">Project White Horse</a>.</em></p>
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