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	<title>Comments on: Will we bomb Iran, now that Admiral Fallon is gone?</title>
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		<title>By: Galrahn</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/admiral-fallon/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>Galrahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Perhaps the reason for this is that leaders like Fallon, bold men commanding vast resources, leave little role for State’s poorly-funded and outnumbered diplomats.  They crush their opposition within the US government, and then fill the resulting vacuum...

"Just in case anyone missed the above… The real Long War has recently come to an end, with total victory for one side. By that I mean DoD’s campaign since WWII to become the dominant voice on National Security within the US govt — waged against State and CIA. The tragic ending is that DoD has won, just as we enter a new era in which its skills and tools are ineffective — in which 4GW and economics are the modalities for geopolitical conflict. And DoD’s senior elements understand netiher of these."

Interesting pair of comments.  The issue in my mind is the reliance by civilian leadership on the Joint Combatant Commanders for diplomacy since about 1992. Before Fallon came along, Wesley Clark is a good example, General Zinni is as well.  Doesn't political leadership pick winners and losers in struggles between Agencies? In other words, isn't it because successive administrations have picked DoD over State and CIA that puts DoD up as the declared winner?
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&lt;em&gt;Fabius Maximus replies:  I see the US government as a multi-polar system, in which various centers of influence ally with one another while seeking greater power.  DoD is one of the big winners in the 20th century, gaining a bigger share of the rapidly growing US government budget.  Our political leadership represents many power centers, but is neither a consistent or cohesive center in its own right.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps the reason for this is that leaders like Fallon, bold men commanding vast resources, leave little role for State’s poorly-funded and outnumbered diplomats.  They crush their opposition within the US government, and then fill the resulting vacuum&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Just in case anyone missed the above… The real Long War has recently come to an end, with total victory for one side. By that I mean DoD’s campaign since WWII to become the dominant voice on National Security within the US govt — waged against State and CIA. The tragic ending is that DoD has won, just as we enter a new era in which its skills and tools are ineffective — in which 4GW and economics are the modalities for geopolitical conflict. And DoD’s senior elements understand netiher of these.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting pair of comments.  The issue in my mind is the reliance by civilian leadership on the Joint Combatant Commanders for diplomacy since about 1992. Before Fallon came along, Wesley Clark is a good example, General Zinni is as well.  Doesn&#8217;t political leadership pick winners and losers in struggles between Agencies? In other words, isn&#8217;t it because successive administrations have picked DoD over State and CIA that puts DoD up as the declared winner?<br />
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<em>Fabius Maximus replies:  I see the US government as a multi-polar system, in which various centers of influence ally with one another while seeking greater power.  DoD is one of the big winners in the 20th century, gaining a bigger share of the rapidly growing US government budget.  Our political leadership represents many power centers, but is neither a consistent or cohesive center in its own right.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/admiral-fallon/#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USNews gave 6 reasons for seeing an attack on Iran coming:
1. Fallon's resignation
2. Vice President Cheney's peace trip
3. Israeli airstrike on Syria
4. Warships off Lebanon
5. Israeli comments
6. Israel's war with Hezbollah
For the full article go to "&lt;a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2008/03/11/6-signs-the-us-may-be-headed-for-war-in-iran.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;6 Signs the U.S. May Be Headed for War in Iran&lt;/a&gt;", US News and World Report (11 March 2008).
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&lt;em&gt;Fabius Maximus replies:  thank you for the referral to this bit of nonsense.  I will post a note about this.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USNews gave 6 reasons for seeing an attack on Iran coming:<br />
1. Fallon&#8217;s resignation<br />
2. Vice President Cheney&#8217;s peace trip<br />
3. Israeli airstrike on Syria<br />
4. Warships off Lebanon<br />
5. Israeli comments<br />
6. Israel&#8217;s war with Hezbollah<br />
For the full article go to &#8220;<a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2008/03/11/6-signs-the-us-may-be-headed-for-war-in-iran.html" rel="nofollow">6 Signs the U.S. May Be Headed for War in Iran</a>&#8220;, US News and World Report (11 March 2008).<br />
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<em>Fabius Maximus replies:  thank you for the referral to this bit of nonsense.  I will post a note about this.</em></p>
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		<title>By: João Carlos</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/admiral-fallon/#comment-1336</link>
		<dc:creator>João Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Bear Stearn just sunk, the economy is going down is a basket... I guess that the american public need some diversion before the election. So, what better than start a war with a foreign enemy?  
João Carlos

sorry the bad english, my native language is portuguese
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&lt;em&gt;Fabius Maximus replies:  glad to have your comments, offering a different perspective on these events!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Bear Stearn just sunk, the economy is going down is a basket&#8230; I guess that the american public need some diversion before the election. So, what better than start a war with a foreign enemy?<br />
João Carlos</p>
<p>sorry the bad english, my native language is portuguese<br />
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<em>Fabius Maximus replies:  glad to have your comments, offering a different perspective on these events!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case anyone missed the above... The real Long War has recently come to an end, with total victory for one side.  By that I mean DoD's campaign since WWII to become the dominant voice on National Security within the US govt -- waged against State and CIA.  The tragic ending is that DoD has won, just as we enter a new era in which its skills and tools are ineffective -- in which 4GW and economics are the modalities for geopolitical conflict.  And DoD's senior elements understand netiher of these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case anyone missed the above&#8230; The real Long War has recently come to an end, with total victory for one side.  By that I mean DoD&#8217;s campaign since WWII to become the dominant voice on National Security within the US govt &#8212; waged against State and CIA.  The tragic ending is that DoD has won, just as we enter a new era in which its skills and tools are ineffective &#8212; in which 4GW and economics are the modalities for geopolitical conflict.  And DoD&#8217;s senior elements understand netiher of these.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/admiral-fallon/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, it's interesting that the DoD doesn't much like doing everyone else's jobs, they're just the only service with any funding. Recently SecDef Gates was carping that the State Department was critically underfunded, they should be doing most of these jobs, and so on.  Of course, SecState Rice is no where to be found. Telling, no?
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&lt;em&gt;Fabius Maximus replies:  "Interesting" is not the word I'd use.  "Interesting" would be DoD's reaction if Congress skimmed off a small fraction of DoD's bloated budget to rebuild State.  &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, it&#8217;s interesting that the DoD doesn&#8217;t much like doing everyone else&#8217;s jobs, they&#8217;re just the only service with any funding. Recently SecDef Gates was carping that the State Department was critically underfunded, they should be doing most of these jobs, and so on.  Of course, SecState Rice is no where to be found. Telling, no?<br />
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<em>Fabius Maximus replies:  &#8220;Interesting&#8221; is not the word I&#8217;d use.  &#8220;Interesting&#8221; would be DoD&#8217;s reaction if Congress skimmed off a small fraction of DoD&#8217;s bloated budget to rebuild State.  </em></p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks OldSkeptic for the links to Gareth Porter of Inter Press Service.  I have added these as an update to the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks OldSkeptic for the links to Gareth Porter of Inter Press Service.  I have added these as an update to the article.</p>
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		<title>By: OldSkeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldSkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From another point of view, the adulation of the Military Leader. 

Not a new phenomenon (e.g. US adulation of MacArthur and Eisenhower). Britain used to do the same until it finally tired of war as a Society (not as a State though). The outstanding Alanbrook (arguably the greatest Strategist of WW2) and Montgomery (arguably the greatest Tactician and fighting General) are forgotten in the UK now.

Most European countries, with their long, long, (far too long) histories of war may occasionally reminisce about past, long dead military leaders, but have no idea and no interest (and a lot of disrespect) about more recent ones. A sign of, eventual, maturity perhaps?

{Note: I continue my theoretical argument about splitting Society and the State, which I think may prove to have some insights into a true 4GW general theoretical framework}.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From another point of view, the adulation of the Military Leader. </p>
<p>Not a new phenomenon (e.g. US adulation of MacArthur and Eisenhower). Britain used to do the same until it finally tired of war as a Society (not as a State though). The outstanding Alanbrook (arguably the greatest Strategist of WW2) and Montgomery (arguably the greatest Tactician and fighting General) are forgotten in the UK now.</p>
<p>Most European countries, with their long, long, (far too long) histories of war may occasionally reminisce about past, long dead military leaders, but have no idea and no interest (and a lot of disrespect) about more recent ones. A sign of, eventual, maturity perhaps?</p>
<p>{Note: I continue my theoretical argument about splitting Society and the State, which I think may prove to have some insights into a true 4GW general theoretical framework}.</p>
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		<title>By: OldSkeptic</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good source for data and analysis about the US/Iran situation is by Gareth Porter. He also covers the Fallon issue in detail. Well read and with experience in the nuclear arms issue he is worth reading and listening to (via podcasts). He's available in many sources but a good one that covers many articles and podcasts is Antiwar.com (which despite its name is actually a Libertarian Conservative area).

One example is a podcast: http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/03/12/gareth-porter-23/. You can use the site to pull up many of his past articles and podcasts. Well worth having a look (listen) to.

The big worries are, if the balloon goes up with Iran, which once was a 70/30 odds in favour, but is probably only 30/70 now are:

(1) The economic affects, which given the latest news doesn't even bear thinking about. This would probabaly tip everything over into the worst case scenario worldwide.
(2) The, very small, but still there, probability of a 'Sarajevo' scenario (ref WW1).
(3) The impact on Iraq .. definately bad and just possibly horrific (Bill Lind has warned of this one).

The reality is now that 'its the economy stupid' that should be grabbing everyone's focus now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good source for data and analysis about the US/Iran situation is by Gareth Porter. He also covers the Fallon issue in detail. Well read and with experience in the nuclear arms issue he is worth reading and listening to (via podcasts). He&#8217;s available in many sources but a good one that covers many articles and podcasts is Antiwar.com (which despite its name is actually a Libertarian Conservative area).</p>
<p>One example is a podcast: <a href="http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/03/12/gareth-porter-23/" rel="nofollow">http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/03/12/gareth-porter-23/</a>. You can use the site to pull up many of his past articles and podcasts. Well worth having a look (listen) to.</p>
<p>The big worries are, if the balloon goes up with Iran, which once was a 70/30 odds in favour, but is probably only 30/70 now are:</p>
<p>(1) The economic affects, which given the latest news doesn&#8217;t even bear thinking about. This would probabaly tip everything over into the worst case scenario worldwide.<br />
(2) The, very small, but still there, probability of a &#8216;Sarajevo&#8217; scenario (ref WW1).<br />
(3) The impact on Iraq .. definately bad and just possibly horrific (Bill Lind has warned of this one).</p>
<p>The reality is now that &#8216;its the economy stupid&#8217; that should be grabbing everyone&#8217;s focus now.</p>
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		<title>By: William RAISER</title>
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		<dc:creator>William RAISER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy the way you "play" with this article.  I too vote for "door #3."  But I continue to have a nagging worry that this view may be too rational for the waning days of the Bush administration.

I find the ascendancy of the military in the US very troubling.  State, and diplomacy, are not even in the back seat (perhaps the rumble seat) anymore.  Maybe we grew up on too many westerns.  The cavalry came to the rescue and the gun-toting, fast-drawing sheriff tamed the town.  False views of history but brave images for an America that wants to believe that it's the city-on-a-hill and the savior of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy the way you &#8220;play&#8221; with this article.  I too vote for &#8220;door #3.&#8221;  But I continue to have a nagging worry that this view may be too rational for the waning days of the Bush administration.</p>
<p>I find the ascendancy of the military in the US very troubling.  State, and diplomacy, are not even in the back seat (perhaps the rumble seat) anymore.  Maybe we grew up on too many westerns.  The cavalry came to the rescue and the gun-toting, fast-drawing sheriff tamed the town.  False views of history but brave images for an America that wants to believe that it&#8217;s the city-on-a-hill and the savior of the world.</p>
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